Our last holiday to Icmeler

[JT]

One thing you will find is that the Turkish or Kurdish peoples who run bars and othe types of business are very clever at copying but this backfires.

If say a bar had decided to bring a trio of musicians for the season and they were on 3 nights a week, if this made this bar money and it was packed out with people enjoying this type of event then the bar owner next door would copy it and the next and the next.

We would end up with everyone doing the same thing as is the norm now.

There are bars going bust every year that have gone bust the year before but there is always someone willing to put their or someone elses money into it and yet it will go bust again.

I think we are stuck with what we have though for people who are new to Turkey then the waither shows are good and they do enjoy them but isnt it nice to find a bar with a bit of background music or as Gene said the Fess with some live music and still be able to chat with friends and enjoy their company without straing your ears

[Diane Rigby]

I have been reading this thread with interest. It appears to me that different people want different things from a holiday at different points in their life. When my children were youngsters we used to go the the big hotels in Spain where they had children's clubs and entertainment in the evening, we could then sit on our balcony whilst the children were asleep and still enjoy the entertainment. It was only a 2 or so hour flight and suited us fine. As they grew older (10 & 12) we decided to venture further afield (Turkey particular). This was a longer journey and to smaller hotels. Here they made their own entertainment, played pool, played on the playstation and swam in the pool all day and enjoyed an evening meal (adult style) in the evening. After such a busy day they were then happy to go back to the apartment around 1030 and to bed to be ready for another hectic day the next morning. Now they are older (16 & 18 ) and this year they are looking forward to trying out Pleasure and Eastenders (without mum and dad, we are too old for that now) but at least I feel secure that they would be safe walking back to our apartments in Icmeler. Who knows, as time goes on they may tire of Icmeler but at the moment it suits us down to the ground for the young and the old. You have to move with the times and Icmeler seems to have moved with us but each to his own. Di.

[skilly]

Where is the Fess bar ? It just sounds like my cup of tea

[kirky]

fess bar just down road from mirage towards beach

[salford_steve]

I think icmeler could do with bars that have professional artists on. There is only really Harmony at the moment, but even then the show hasn't really changed in 3 years. It needs some original artists in, who if they are going to go back every year then to change there show so that the people who were there year before can see a brand new show. I know I keep mentioning Bella Baserk in Marmaris but he is a pleasure to watch and every year I see him he only seems to get better and more original. That is what Icmeler needs.

Steve

[salford_steve]

When I think about it, even if bars can't afford entertainers, then even if they charged a small door charge even if it's just 1 lira, it's pennies to you and me and would help towards the payment of the artisit for them.

Steve

[mickd]

Last year was our first time in Icmeler we went ai it was a waste.Icmeler had everything we wanted.A sunbed by the pool or beach.Nice bars with a friendly welcome for our afternoon snack and an efes or 2 .and lots of places to go for our daytime walks.As for our evenings,we saw enough of Icmeler to know the bars and restaurants are varied to suit all types of holidaymakers from the Boom Booms to the laid back relaxing places.If you don,t like one you use your legs and go to another[dead easy] .Which is why we are coming again in august [bed and breakfast].We have been to many differing destinations Magaluff included [but not reccomended] but still had a relaxing time.I,m sure all of our boxes will be ticked.The welcome we recieved last year by everyone we met was second to none.I,m sure this willbe the second of many years in Icmeler.At the end of the day we all have a choice of where to eat where to drink and where to get entertained

[redrhino12]

The breakdancers and other entertainers used to go round with the hat at one time to pay for their performance,but this practice was stopped and payment had to be made by the bars.

When watching these breakdancers,MJ,Belly Dancer, Robot Man and other artists Who entertain us in the bars,I would like you to consider that they are paid 15ytl per performance and this may have to be shared among 4 people.
This is why the fellas ride bikes and scurry between venues and apear in as many bars as they can in a night.

"Dont lets knock the people for trying to earn a crust of bread."

I mentioned this because I wonder if anyone realises how much effort and practice needs to be put in to get to these guys standards of agility.

Gene

[salford_steve]

I don't think anyone is knocking them. I think it's just they would like to have the choice of some professional entertainers aswell.

Steve

[redrhino12]

Steve,the bars cannot afford to pay proffesional entertainers most have trouble breaking even at the end of a season,and has for charging on the door people wont pay an entrance charge.

Gene

[reesy1959]

The break dancers in our Apartments for the Turkish Night got 50ytl. There were 4 dancers.

I dont think anyone is knocking the entertainers, just the repetetivness (sp), hence the beauty of going to different bars each night.

Icmeler still does it for us, and I hope it continues to do so for a long time to come.

[salford_steve]

I think you'd have to be a pretty tight person to say you disagree to having to pay 1 lira on a door for a proffesional show. If people want to see different shows then I am sure having to pay 40p for it wouldn't be a problem. I would pay it.

Steve

[skilly]

I, for one would definitley pay.
Please don't get me wrong, I love Icmeler and can't see myself going anywhere else but Rami did ask us to express our opinions as to what we would like to see in Icmeler.
I think the Turkish lads, breakdancers, waiters and the ones who do the tribute acts work so hard for not much money so I am not disrespecting what they do ,just trying to suggest ways of keeping Icmeler as addictive as it has been for many years for many of us on this forum.

[bigchig]

i,m another one who agrees, that icemeler is definatly getting louder, which is why, when we go out at night we always end up at the pig and whistle, lovely bar , they have music on but not to load, so you can still have a conversation, this june my brother took rudolf a cd, which he,d done, good mixture of 70,s 80,s. rudolfs family are normaly there most evenings, real family atmosphere. we,ll never give icemeler up. cant wait for june next year, normally go again in september, but as our daughter gets married in 4 weeks, we are all of to florida in october.

[KarenH]

whilst last year was our first visit to icmeler, we fell in love with the place, it had everything we needed in a holiday, and the turkish people made us feel so welcome.....

i am slighly worried now, if there is alot of noisy bars, or people on bar crawls, then after my 2 visits this year, we will not be going back.....

i do not want to sit in a bar with my children and see groups of adults getting loud and drunk, nor do i want to have to ignore my family, due to the music being to loud and conversation becomes impossible.
i truly hope icmeler does not go down this path, otherwise it will be the next aiya napa, or magaluf, and not the lovely family resort that it is now....

i too, would pay to go and see professional acts, i also love the fact the music goes quiet at midnight, having been to bodrum and still been listening to the hotel next doot at 4am.

karen xx

[ianwesty]

I have been reading this thread with interest. Does everyone agree that we tourists are the cause of resorts change? It surely is dictated by supply and demand and therfore we are all responsible for a change in tact by hotel owners,bars etc. We will soon be surrounded by all inclusive reorts with professional entertainment laid on( like Spain and Portugal etc etc). Times change and unfortunately peoples expectations are changing too. Gone are the days of traditional entertainment and learning of new cultures and language etc, now its bingos and quizzes and British pubs. Some like it some don't.
We personally have experienced most european destinations but still call Icmeler "Home". We were there during the earthquake in 1999, everyone was your family as everyone was concerned/frightened, people were living outdoors for most of the time but the real Turkey came to the fore.Nothing was too much hassle and the friendliness was out there for all to see. We have made lifelong friends in Icmeler and still try to go at least once a year, if we fancy a quiet night we stay up in the old village and frequent the quieter apartment's bars etc. Everyone's taste is different I know but we all make life choices. Turkey is a vast and beautiful country, the only one in fact in the whole world that is totally self sufficient, I think you would miss the place, but then again that only my opinion.
Now for the best part...... coming home in 3 weeks.

[jeffg]

Of course you will Jozzyd, there's something for everyone in Icmeler like you saw last year, I love the choice of quiet bars and restuarants, or a bit of a giggle at the michael jackson shows etc, and dancing to motown, or whatever takes my fancy, Above all that there's the charm and humour of the people, and the beautiful scenery around the resort . I'll be there in 3 weeks for more of the same and I can't wait. Not too long for you either,

Trish i agree with most of what you say but even Linekers has changed it was the motown bar thats the reason we used it so often but how there is a new DJ playing crap music was there last week and at 10 o clock he said rigght its motown time so i thought great stuff till midnight oh no 30 minutes later back to crap music so we rarely went in all fortnight it got to a stage where ali the dancer was asking why we havent been going in so i told him still thats progress i suppose jeff

[Colette]

Right after discussing this with Rami and Admin we are re opening this thread as we want your opinions on Icmeler and as Rami has said, he takes our opinions to the council meetings, so your views are important for the future of Icmeler.

Please read the rules at the top of the forum, I will not tolerate arguments, personal abuse or anything similar from anyone and anyone found posting as such will have there posts deleted.

Now then back to Icmeler folks, well not literaly

[peli]

Hi Colette
My Opinion only: I feel the council should hold strickter control over the number and location of licences issued to properties at the moment its wide open for any ex waiters: of which there are a good lot r anyone else raising the rent etc for that year ,and away we go with the sameness I feel that <please>that lot of the guys running places now were ex waiters<made>so to speak who seem to be in a time warp thinking from years gone by that if they offer a 2£ breakfast banging music jumping about etc that they are buisnessmen ,some then go bump, but to the council they have got the rent for that year and another batch of ex waiters appear the year after with identical thoughts
what it boils down to is too many bars run by none buisnessmen who think its an easy touch running a bar someone with a good entertainment brain could make killing here look what Micheal did to the Harmany bar with the Stella show but after 3or4 yrs thats dated
peli

[w3ndy]

My views from my holiday last year, if it had been my first time visit to Icmeler I can honestly say I wouldn't be returning.

Food and drink being added to your bill, this happened in three different bars last year and I was only there for a week.

Watered down drinks, if I order a vodka and coke I expect it to have vodka in it .

The over the top friendliness of some of the waiters. I don't expect to be pawed by someone half my age, and nothing in the way I dress or behave encourages this. Nor do I want my son quizzed as to whether I own my own house and car , or how much I earn etc..

Sorry to be negative but as this is a thread on making Icmeler a better place ...............