JT, I totally understand what your saying, but I spent alot of time in the resort itself, I didnt use the all inclusive at the
hotel very much at all really, I actually like the location of the hotel, it was the staff in restaurant and bar area that let the hotel down, totally useless, cant help but think its because they have bought the greenworld next door, alot of guests that had booked for julian forest ended up having to stay at the greenworld, and they were livid, as they had to keep going back and forth for meals etc, as greenworld is Self catering, and also the entertainment was so poor, which is why we spent so much time in
icmeler centre, there was many guests who had stayed there numerous times, and said they felt standards had slipped massively.
I have been to icmeler now so many times, and in my opinion it isnt the same as it was, others might disagree with me, there was other guests at our hotel who had been many times before, and agreed with how we felt, and said they would either go somewhere else in turkey, or go elsewhere totally, I love turkey and have been to bodrum and fethiye areas also, and go back to olu deniz in 2 weeks time, I think i might try antalya next, and maybe go back to icmeler in a few years time.