Icmeler Petition

[Rami Off Work]

Harleybabe you were wrong

As ICR Travel, we can not take sides on this issue as a company. We have to be fair and sensetive to everyone's demands. Opinions I expressed before are not on behalf of ICR, those are solely my opinions on this issue. We do not run a bar or own a restaurant so we have nothing to gain regardless of the outcome.
We have started this petition to help solve an ongoing issue which I felt that it effects both business owners and holiday makers. But, after reading each argument on this topic and strong views on opposing the petition, we are offering your the same right which is to ask for to keep things unchanged.
What I will do as a result is, I will hand them over all signatures received for and againts this change then its left to the council and comittee to make up their minds.

Here is the petition you need to sign if you feel things should be kept unchanged.

http://www.icrtravel.com/petition/signup.php

I will also add this link to the original topic.

Thanks
Rami

[Mags23]

I am torn by this, I've so often felt that the resort "dies" too early, but am happy to go back to my hotel for late night chats till silly o'clock, some nights I feel like an early night but the "boom, boom" bars can be heard from my hotel and I wish they would turn the volume down earlier! On the whole I would be happy with music continuing at a reduced volume all night - why does any bar need to deafen you. A lot of people seem to have the same view, it's not the music - but the volume!! So my vote is to keep the music going until 2 am but at a reduced volume after 12 - 12.30. I did vote on this on via another forum (didn't see it on here) but wish I hadn't now, just wish that I could have had the choice of options that have been expressed on here. It would be so nice to wander around knowing that the bars still have something going on til "late" but be able to hear to chat as well.

[John V]

As well as being unable to support the first petition for the inclusion of the bit about ALL BARS being specified I now find that for the same reason I can not put my name against the second petition.

I agree 100% with Gene ,may I suggest that both of these petitions be cancelled and replaced with another based upon "what he would like to see" which gives some wider consideration of what is involved.

This is a case that all sizes does not fit all whether you are a holidaymaker or a local business

[cassie]

I have voted for the later hour because when on holiday tend to go out a bit later in the evening some nights we are just getting in the mood ,and wham its all finished 1 o/c lock sounds good to me its only an hour after all,

although i for one will vote with my feet when they start building a mc donalds

[Rami Off Work]

Although I liked Gene's idea as well. It does not serve "all". Maybe it would solve the problem from the holidaymakers point of view to some extend, though in practice it would create an unfairness between business owners.

Please remember when signing petition that, even if they change the times until 2am, they will never allow boom boom music after 12 (even if a million people signed it) Icmeler will never be Marmaris. This is Turkey, you ask for a loaf of bread and you may get a slice. So in this case, as a return, the best thing that can happen is bars will be allowed to play low volume music until 1:00AM instead of 12.

And if this is to happen, then it should be changed for "All" not based on their physical locations.

The way you are looking at things, I understand perfectly well. Whatever we sign for, then that is what will end up happening...No, like I said, mentality here is different and public pressure here does not make the highest impact.

If we look at history of things, the music turn off time used to be 2am then this changed to 12 but not because the public or you wanted it to change, it was done so the hoteliers could make more money...(politics play a big role in here and at every level, believe it or not)

1 Hour extra music, all this for 1 hour?? some may say that, correct?
Well, I have calculated what that 1 hour means in total and that is basically equal to the rent the bar owner pays for the year. 1 hour each day for 180 days.
So what if the bar owner pays the rent or not? Then you get to have a coctail with genuine brand drinks in it instead of bocardi that is made under the table:) What else? Hassle eases down. What else? More satisfied customers go back home with more memories (1 extra hour of laughter maybe?) and most importantly, you pay less for your meals and drinks due to more revenue coming in to cover overhead costs..I am sure more benefits can be listed..

No offence but what many are saying is that without music no-one is capable of having a good time. What happened to the good old art of holding a conversation with loved ones and new friends you have just met? I have many times been sat in bars in Icmeler until the early hours with very low background music or no music at all and had a brilliant time, good conversation or a deep chill out time sat in a very meditating atmosphere in the company you feel comfortable with.

[tannedjulie]

never been to icmeler yet due to go in june but we have 3 kids so usually go to bed about 10 so as long as nothing keeps me awake i am not bothered, but we have a pub in our town and they dont play music at all which is always packed think its because you can actually talk to each other without shouting over the music.

[steve-mcr]

I don't think anyone is saying without music you can't have a good time. Of course you can have great nights out in places with no music at all, and I have done on many occasions both in Icmeler and at home. The point is that if you are looking for a more 'lively' night, music plays a big part in this, and a one o'clock finish would give you a little more time and would benefit the bars, without being too much of an inconvenience to anyone opposed to the change.

Even if this was introduced and ALL bars were given a one o'clock music licence, I'm pretty sure there would be a number of bars who didn't take up this option anyway, as its clear from comments on this forum that Icmeler would still need bars to cater for all those people who prefer things as they are now with no music on after twelve.

[itobradshaw1]

Opening bars 1 or 2 hours later will not make the bar owners any more money all it meens his the people who want the bars open till said times go in to the bars 1 or 2 hours later and dont spend any more landlords where we live have told us this it meens paying extra for staff for the same money coming in .I am not a killjoy just telling what the landlord in my local said

[kentcabbie]

cant agree that people go out later because bars are open later, once you,ve eaten, what do you do , you usually drink, either in the restaraunt or move to a bar, no difference, the extra hour with reduced music would still allow people to chat and socialise without annoying residents, and save the need for the police spotters outside the bars. I,d stay in the bar till 02.00 with or without the music, but i,d prefer it with(reduced) music after 00.00,

[Rami Off Work]

where we live have told us this it meens paying extra for staff for the same money coming in .I am not a killjoy just telling what the landlord in my local said

I might as well give some insights as we go along. Staff in touristic resorts seldom work on wages and even if they do, they definitely dont work based on amount of hours put in. Majority of the staff in bar/restaurants earn a living based on comissions on total sales and tips.

[skilly]

I think we've discussed this topic before on another thread and I am still of the same mind.
Someone said its an age thing, well i am nearly bus pass age and I have voted for the extra hour.Although I agree that the music should be a little softer and more relaxing not 'boom boom' music.

Sometimes you can have a lovely day at the beach and only get back to your hotel late, this means that you can't have a rest if you want to go out because the night is over before its began.
We also have had some lovely chats with people after the music has gone off but background music would be good.
When we first went to Icmeler many years ago, we used to be in bars until the early hours, i don't remember the police patrolling around watching . ( correct me if I'm wrong)I think the police driving around actually makes you worry for the owners and you feel that you have to leave pronto in case you get them in trouble, we shouldn't have to feel like that on hol.!!

In England we go to our town every Saturday to meet friends at 9.45pm, we only come home about 2.00am. We have never seen any trouble and we are not lager louts, we just like enjoying ourselves while we still can.
I think the same applies when we go on holiday only more so. I really don't think that by extending the time to 1pm is going to be that disruptive and if it helps the locals to pay their rent when they are struggling as many did last year then i am happy.

I do understand what everyone is saying but it still does not get away from the fact that very many of the bars and restaurants are in the extreme close proximity to the hotels and apartments and if you need an early night have no chance of getting to sleep with music on. I have very acute hearing which is not always a Godsend especially if you are trying to get to sleep and all music tends to boom boom when it is heard at a distance.

[Silverfox BC]

We are wrinklies and have been coming to Icmeler for ten years. We always stayed at the Private Hotel for the first six years but found each year the noise got worse and worse. I remember arriving about the third year and reception said "have put you in a back room" to which I insisted, no we want a front room, after a bit of yes and no he put us in a front room and when I sheepisly walked down next morning, he sat there grinning and said "now do you want a back room" which we always had after but even that got too much so we moved to the outskirsts where we do not hear the music. We love to hear the music and have the dancing but after twelve we are quite happy to have the music turned down and be able to chat. It doesn't matter to us if the music stays loud, just means we would have to go back and have a longer balcony bar in our rooms.

[cassia]

I have inboxed it to everyone on my icmeler group, so hopefully afew hundred more people will sign up

[joan1950]

i agree to the music going on till 1am as a lot of people have said you are just starting to enjoy yourself when the music is turned off as most of these bars serve food as well entertainment doesn't really pick up till after 10pm,1 more hour would make a lot of difference

[tamii]

personally i would be in favour of the extra hour. i don't see how having that extra hour with background noise would cause noise pollution - at the end of the day, at this present time, the bars are already still serving drinks at this time - don't think a bit of music would make any difference.
I think when the music goes off, the atmosphere does die, and I would rather have a bit of background music than be listening to 5 different conversations from people at tables next to me.
also it's all very well saying that you can stay later in these bars and drink for as long as you want, however i feel when the music is switched off it does feel like the night is over and not that i feel unwelcome, but i do feel like it's time to move on, as the longer i stay, the longer the staff (who have been working long hours) have to stay.

[silverbeard21]

I have just signed the petition as being against any changes. My reason is purely selfish, I don't want music disturbing my beauty sleep ( I need plenty). I have been visiting Icmeler for 11yrs I can remember when there were no restrictions and to be quite frank it was hell on earth in some parts, a continual competition between bars and young waiters as to who could be the loudest . That's why we moved from the Private Hotel to the outskirts. I wouldn't be averse to some minor changes to the rules - loud music until midnight then quiet music until 1 am. bars to remain open until 3am. The trouble is those rules would be ignored after a while - whoever heard of a young waiter being able to listen to quiet music!

The restrictions, as far as I am concerned, were the best thing that happened. They returned Icmeler to the pleasant resort that we all know and love - It was getting out of hand.

David

[Jordan]

I think most people agree that it is not so much the time the music goes off its the volume even early on its rediculous.If the volume was monitored there wouldn't be an issue.Everybody would be happy!!

[lespaul]

I think the whole question of whether bars should remain open after a specific time, is both rhetorical and somewhat paradoxical.

I think a fact that is often missed by some people is that when in Icmeler, we are in a foreign country with different values, culture and laws and as a consequence, we should respect what the national/local dictat(e)s demand of 'us' the temporary incomer.

I have no opinion either way on whether music should cease at a certain time, however I do recognise the right of the local council (Belediyesi) to decide its own interests. Icmeler is bigger than any company, organisation or individual and there are a variety of reasons why people return again and again. In my opinion, when people start trying to artificially alter the balance of what currently exists and if successful, will more than likely disadvantage one group to the cost and detriment of another. For these reasons, I'd say leave things as they are.