NOT SPENDING MONEY IN APARTMENTS

[mazz]

What gives apartments owners the right to give their "guests" the cold shoulder if they choose not to eat/drink/spend more money at the apartments?

It's your holiday.... which you've probably had to work very hard and save very hard for - so it's entirely YOUR choice where you spend your money.

If you were getting the apartment completely free of charge for the duration of your time in Icmeler then they would have every right to give you the cold shoulder if you didn't then even buy a drink.... but I have yet to come across anyone offering free apartments!

If they get the hump then tough - ignore them - don't book to go back there and don't recommend to anyone else.

Mazz

[daisysun]

doesanyone know what the Alvaro are like for this?
We like to eat out on a night time but would buy the odd drink once we got back and befoe we went out. Also would stay for the Turkish night as well.

I stayed at the Kleopatra about 5 years ago and they were ok, just let you get on with whatever you were doing.

[sandybeach]

The apartment prices are very cheap and i know they do rely on people using the restaurant in their establishment. I like to eat out in the evening as there is so many good restaurants but i usually spend my time round the pool and had lunch or breakfast there plus drinks, I think ass long as you are spending some money in their establishment while you are there , i dont think it is a problem.
Due to many of the waiters being on a % of the takings of the trade sometimes undue pressure is applied. JT/Rami will be able to clarify if this is correct, but this is my understanding of the procedure.
I remember one hotel asked me when i was checking in "if i was a pool or beach person?" and i replied "pool" and the owner replied "good". A good sign i would be eating and drinking during the day at his bar.

[crazybabe666]

doesanyone know what the Alvaro are like for this?
We like to eat out on a night time but would buy the odd drink once we got back and befoe we went out. Also would stay for the Turkish night as well.

I stayed at the Kleopatra about 5 years ago and they were ok, just let you get on with whatever you were doing.

Hi stayed at the alvaro last year,and they have no problem with you eating out,we use to stay round the pool and have a few drinks in the day,ate out most nights,and usually had a night cap,on our return,lovely staff,made to feel real welcome,you will have no worries staying here,hope this helps,Crazybabe,x

[Cummo]

Hi

Hassle at Senem for the first week from the intimidating Mustafa (Musti). After he got the message that we would not be eating there, we got the "cold shoulder" treatment from most of the staff,with the exception of Ali who ran the bar.

This poses a question....do the bar profits and the restaurant profits run seperately?....i ask this because we spent a fair amount on alcohol, Efes,Tuborg,Strongbow,Gin & Tonic,Lime & Soda, and got no hassle from Ali the barman .......but nothing at all on food and were hassled by the restaurant guys.

What really disapointed me was as i arrived with a fist full of £5 notes, i made sure that all the guys received one a piece .....6 in all (£30)

John

[paulmarise]

hi
when we stayed in Travellers rest the bar profits were seperate from the restaurant profits as the pool barman ( Pete ) told us the more the bar made he got a percentage of the profits so hey ho he loved us just to drink as the more we drank the more he earned ( we did try to make him the highest paid barman in Icmeler I can tell you)
Paul

[sandfacer]

Does anyone know what Cub Sun Village/Tolan Apartments/Imperial Apartments are like?

going to club sun village monday (again)
staff exelent no pressure to eat there though there food is as good as any of the resturants in town

[Toonarmy]

We stay at club aquarium and there's never any hassle

[Rami Off Work]

The apartment prices are very cheap and i know they do rely on people using the restaurant in their establishment. I like to eat out in the evening as there is so many good restaurants but i usually spend my time round the pool and had lunch or breakfast there plus drinks, I think ass long as you are spending some money in their establishment while you are there , i dont think it is a problem.
Due to many of the waiters being on a % of the takings of the trade sometimes undue pressure is applied. JT/Rami will be able to clarify if this is correct, but this is my understanding of the procedure.
I remember one hotel asked me when i was checking in "if i was a pool or beach person?" and i replied "pool" and the owner replied "good". A good sign i would be eating and drinking during the day at his bar.

I wonder what the hotelier was going to do if you said you were a beach person?:))) There is no end to this argument and as holiday makers you should not have to worry about any of it. If you want to help the local economy, then pick normally priced hotels/apartments when booking a holiday and not go for a £10 room. If you choose to take the £10 room, then do not complain about the cold shoulder because it is obvious that in a world we live in, you could not get that sort of price for a room in any country at same standards unless additional expenditure was expected from you. This is exactly the case...you get your room for almost free so the hotelier thinks he has the right to give you the cold shoulder where as its the hotelier who needs to think wiser and not give his rooms away for almost nothing just for the sake of having a major TO market it on their web site.

For so many years, I have asked hotels not to drop their prices and always told them to up the prices to encourage quality rather than quantity. Funny enough they did do this but only for us ) then we saw a hotel being sold for £3 where our contract prices was £10 for the same period. Obviously got rid of the hotel right away but what I am trying to say is, its the money hungry agents who ruined Icmeler (started with GTrail) and just when we thought things would change, its now all the other agents who are pushing hotels to drop their prices further and further. As a result, the hotelier is worried about not making any money from the rooms thus want you to have a beer or two at their bar or eat in their restaurant. Sadly, hoteliers are no longer running a hotel but doing a restaurant business. Next thing is you complain about the A/C or the utensils in the rooms or the state of the hygiene, dirty sheets, pillows etc.
Its a circle and the only way to fix it is by boycotting cheap cheap places. We have tried our best to do so over many years but now we are in the circle as agents as well. Although we will have 20 or 30 more properties online next year, we will never push those cheap places and as the user of these cheap properties, please do not believe everything your read on review sites esspecially about the cheap hotels and apartments. Too good to be true? then its likely that it aint true.

Back to cold shoulder...if you got the cold shoulder then ask your rep/agent in resort to move you elsewhere due to the awkard treatment you received or do the same even if you witnessed someone else getting the similar treatment because next time it may be you!

[majie]

Rami. You are right of course, and also when you comment on the restaurant prices. It is the same principle. Where we stay in Dalyan the apartment owner does not particularly want you to have a drink there during the evening infact he has closed the bar in the grounds and turned it into a kosk as he would rather have a peaceful atmosphere at night and so makes for many repeat visitors. HOWEVER, he charges a realistic price for the accomodation. There is food and drink available during the day, cooked to order if you want it but no pressure to buy it. we never do.... but no cold shoulder, just realistic room rates.

And before people shout at me about budgets.... I appreciate wanting to keep costs down, we all do, but you pay your money and you take your choice. you may get the cold shoulder. ! people in Turkey do have to make a living and paying £8 a night for accomodation doesnt leave much room for this... The big british tour operators absolutely screw them to the wall then charge the brits a much higher rate.... so most of the money stays in the uk. Anyway.... just saying !! happy holidays everybody

[Silverfox BC]

Agree,if you pay for cheap rooms then you expect to help their takings in the bar and restaurant. We like to eat out most nights but make sure we stay and eat a couple of times or more, very often at lunch time as opposed to the evening. You can usually get a reasonable "snack" and this takes any pressure off as they can see you are trying to be fair. We always buy drinks round the pool when we stay put during the day, or icecreams, it all helps.

[molly malone]

It's not as simple as saying the cheaper places expect you to eat in, We've paid £30 per night for an apartment and still had a bit of pressure on our way out in the evening. It didn't work though as it's our holiday and we like to go to our favourite places. I don't think it's acceptable to get the cold shoulder treatment either, and if we did we would simply go elsewhere and spend our money.

[Rami Off Work]

Definitely not acceptable. I stayed in the UK hotels many times and never ever did I get the cold shoulder...They could not care less over there if I had a drink at the hotel bar or a meal in their restaurant. They were as pleasant as they could be. The cheapest I ever paid was £80 for a room (single). Ok, lets say UK is expensive, the cheapest I ever paid in the US was 100 USD, say thats America, the cheapest I ever paid in Canada was 120USD. Hmm, well these are super powers although with no sunshine, can not expect any cheaper of them. true. Then lets look at Thailand? £50 a night for an apartment that actually looked like an apartment building with no pool or any sort of bar or a restaurant...lets go east a bit and think of Romania or ex Russian States, any decent apartment you get there will cost £80 a night and these are only serviced as far as maids go, other than that, the apartments are actually flats in an apartment building.

Ladies and Gentleman, £30 a night for an apartment means less than £10 a night per person and if there is a country offering what Turkey does offer for such price then please let us know and we shall all go there instead...

The price of a regular apartment in icmeler should be no less than £50 a night but also an high class service should be given to all the holiday makers whether they choose to eat on premises or not.

You want to get an apartment (flat) in Istanbul for a night, the cost is £80. So someone please tell me what is wrong with Icmeler. What is it that they are lacking so to give away rooms at £30 a night? (rooms are given away for £3 a night by some hoteliers.)

Molly, sorry I had to take your so called high rate as an example to make my point but I do agree with you that no matter what you pay for your holidays, you should never ever get the cold shoulder and always have smiley hosts. The issue I am trying to emphasize on is the fact that such heaven like Icmeler is not getting what it deserves.

Went to Rhodes the other week. Stayed 3 nights, the hotel cost about £40 per room. 2 star very basic hotel with paint falling off it just like all the others around. Walking through the town at night, looking at meal prices, I thought my people in Icmeler must have lost it. Now I admit to it. They have lost it. People across the sea, on an island that does not have a better beach, ambiance, nature, quality or hospitality charge its guests a minimum of £20 a meal where as my people are charging half that for a SET meal including soup, ice cream, starters, etc...I know some are also giving a bottle of wine with it or have the children free of charge.

Someone needs to put a stop to all this stupidity...

As for people's budgets. Understandable but thats something you need to take up with your own local or national agents because its them who stack the profits.

[majie]

when i mentioned peoples budget it was because that is what people will come up with for not wanting to pay what should be the going rate. I think these very low prices are something icmeler/marmaris have fallen into. there is so much competition it has driven the price down. how do you change it now ?.... with difficulty because the tourists who visit regularly wont come back if prices rise because that is what they are used to. Prices in Dalyan are more realistic I think and people pay it because that is what they are used to. I hear Kas and Kalkan have higher prices still. difficult Rami.. you are completely right in your thinking but what do you do about it.

Regarding the cold shoulder. no one should ever be made to feel guilty for taking advantage of a cheap price. If its on a plate... people will take it.

[geordiedave1964]

Most of the answers in this thread make sense but unless something is done people will start to look elsewhere and i think by looking at the restaurants this year that might be already happening when you work all year for a break and get the cold shoulder because you eat out is not good custom. But on the other side of the scale these hotels should not have working for the wages they get.......whats the answer....................i have no idea but something needs to change soon.

[juju]

We stayed at Demircioglu appartments....Vince's restaurant and certainly didnt get the cold shoulder treatment.Only two of us....so cant make a massive amount.We use the beach but no problem to them.We always had a drink at night and ate there three or four times and the food was good and service and staff second to none.But like many others we have been visiting Icmeler for a good few years and want to spread our money around at many bars and restaurants that we value.Vince had no problem with it....or never said he did and made a point of making us feel really special.We will stay there next year because it was that good.Have stayed at many places over the years and I dont think any were too bothered about what we did.Maybe if you are a bigger group they will try and get you to eat and drink there.

[dodge]

We just got back from Lighthouse apts our 4th stay there & I can honestly say we have never had any pressure from them excellent as always

cheers dodge

[dksbbs]

I actually read a trip advisor review on the apartments where we stay (none ICR) and there is one where the guest was complaining that the bar staff did nothing to try and keep the guests in the hotel at night so it was far too quiet.

Sometimes you can't win.


Dave

[georgiegirl58]

Definitely not acceptable. I stayed in the UK hotels many times and never ever did I get the cold shoulder...They could not care less over there if I had a drink at the hotel bar or a meal in their restaurant. They were as pleasant as they could be. The cheapest I ever paid was £80 for a room (single). Ok, lets say UK is expensive, the cheapest I ever paid in the US was 100 USD, say thats America, the cheapest I ever paid in Canada was 120USD. Hmm, well these are super powers although with no sunshine, can not expect any cheaper of them. true. Then lets look at Thailand? £50 a night for an apartment that actually looked like an apartment building with no pool or any sort of bar or a restaurant...lets go east a bit and think of Romania or ex Russian States, any decent apartment you get there will cost £80 a night and these are only serviced as far as maids go, other than that, the apartments are actually flats in an apartment building.

Ladies and Gentleman, £30 a night for an apartment means less than £10 a night per person and if there is a country offering what Turkey does offer for such price then please let us know and we shall all go there instead...

The price of a regular apartment in icmeler should be no less than £50 a night but also an high class service should be given to all the holiday makers whether they choose to eat on premises or not.

You want to get an apartment (flat) in Istanbul for a night, the cost is £80. So someone please tell me what is wrong with Icmeler. What is it that they are lacking so to give away rooms at £30 a night? (rooms are given away for £3 a night by some hoteliers.)

Molly, sorry I had to take your so called high rate as an example to make my point but I do agree with you that no matter what you pay for your holidays, you should never ever get the cold shoulder and always have smiley hosts. The issue I am trying to emphasize on is the fact that such heaven like Icmeler is not getting what it deserves.

Went to Rhodes the other week. Stayed 3 nights, the hotel cost about £40 per room. 2 star very basic hotel with paint falling off it just like all the others around. Walking through the town at night, looking at meal prices, I thought my people in Icmeler must have lost it. Now I admit to it. They have lost it. People across the sea, on an island that does not have a better beach, ambiance, nature, quality or hospitality charge its guests a minimum of £20 a meal where as my people are charging half that for a SET meal including soup, ice cream, starters, etc...I know some are also giving a bottle of wine with it or have the children free of charge.

Someone needs to put a stop to all this stupidity...

As for people's budgets. Understandable but thats something you need to take up with your own local or national agents because its them who stack the profits.

Well said Rami I for one can't afford to spend mega money on my apartment and in the 5 years I have been coming to Icmeler I have never once been hassled, ignored or made to feel uncomfortable. Icmeler is like paradise compaired to other places. Enjoy xx see you soon xx

[Sami]

We have stayed at Rhodes apartments several times and have never been made to feel uncomfortable about going out elsewhere to eat and drink, in fact, Tango will always wish us a good evening. Mind you, the food there has been so good we have eaten there loads, especially during the day.

You took the words out of my mouth on this comment. I have stayed at Rhodes twice this year and am about to go for the 3rd time in September. Tolga really does not mind at all and as you have said, the food is actually really good so you end up spending some time and money there anyway.