Animals at Waterfall restaurant.
21 Aug 2008 19:15
I can only say I was absolutely appalled of the condition of the animals kept at the Waterfall restaurant.
Firstly, all these different types of animals should not be kept within the same enclosure as they all have different dietary requirements, and the fact that bigger animals will naturally bully smaller animals when food is in short supply - I saw a chicken pinning a rabbit down by the neck, and a duck pecking a small guinea pigs fur out. This may sound comical, but is very serious and shows a complete disregard for the animals' welfare. Yes I am aware of the fencing in the middle, but this only serves to stop the guinea pigs getting into the area with the pond, but does not prevent other animals getting into the guinea pig area - which they clearly do pretty regularly.
Secondly, these animals are seriously undernourished, which can be seen by the poor condition of their coats of most of the smaller animals, which again compounds the fact that larger animals are able to get the food more than the smaller animals. Me and my partner managed to feed them on a almost nightly basis and seen a drastic improvement in just a week in some of the poorer animals. The undernourished can clearly be seen by the lack and to a point almost non existance of faeces from the animals inside the enclosure.
Thirdly, Rabbits and guinea pigs need access to grass/hay at all times as this is a dietary requirements to provide dietary fibers for the animals, otherwise known as "roughage". I tried to educate the staff at this restaurant that this is nessessary for them, but they couldnt really care less.
Lastly, the unsupervision of children within the animal area, and this is partly the fault of parents as well as staff. Small children in particular should be supervised and educated in the handling of small animals. A few nights ago me and my partner were deeply disturbed to see a small boy grab a guinea pig by the neck and throw it back in the pen after it tried to nip him (which is an understandable reaction to be grabbed by the neck) - this animal was deeply traumatised by the incident and looked physically injured. I came back the next night to check the status of the animal and it had magically disappeared from the pen and none of the staff could explain where the animal was. I had took a picture of it after the incident so I showed them the exact animal in question.
I am at this exact moment in progress of speaking with Turkey Animal rights charity SED (Society for the Education of Social Responsibilities) to investigate the incident and the other animals being held in the enclosure.
Unfortunately I have now left Turkey and I am back in the UK and would greatly appreciate anyone who is still there or is about to go would help me in monitoring the progress of the animals and/or helping educate the staff on looking after these animals, and indeed if you have children please ensure that the proper supervision is being undertook with them and these animals.
I will state that I am not looking to have these animals removed in the first instance, as they would most likely just be euphanised if no one can take care of them. I would much rather that they are just looked after properly.
Anyone still there or just going..... Please feed these animals, ensuring the smaller animals can get the food as well as larger animals, and if possible make the staff feed them the proper food they need.
The rabbits and guinea pigs need fresh vegetables as I am not aware of anywhere selling food specific for these animals in the vicinity. Lettuce, Carrots, aubergines are great for them.
The chickens and ducks can get corn or other cereals such as wheat/oats (even supermarker breakfast cereal form), however these animals will eat any bugs they can find which at least gives them some advantage over the other animals.
Thanks for reading
Firstly, all these different types of animals should not be kept within the same enclosure as they all have different dietary requirements, and the fact that bigger animals will naturally bully smaller animals when food is in short supply - I saw a chicken pinning a rabbit down by the neck, and a duck pecking a small guinea pigs fur out. This may sound comical, but is very serious and shows a complete disregard for the animals' welfare. Yes I am aware of the fencing in the middle, but this only serves to stop the guinea pigs getting into the area with the pond, but does not prevent other animals getting into the guinea pig area - which they clearly do pretty regularly.
Secondly, these animals are seriously undernourished, which can be seen by the poor condition of their coats of most of the smaller animals, which again compounds the fact that larger animals are able to get the food more than the smaller animals. Me and my partner managed to feed them on a almost nightly basis and seen a drastic improvement in just a week in some of the poorer animals. The undernourished can clearly be seen by the lack and to a point almost non existance of faeces from the animals inside the enclosure.
Thirdly, Rabbits and guinea pigs need access to grass/hay at all times as this is a dietary requirements to provide dietary fibers for the animals, otherwise known as "roughage". I tried to educate the staff at this restaurant that this is nessessary for them, but they couldnt really care less.
Lastly, the unsupervision of children within the animal area, and this is partly the fault of parents as well as staff. Small children in particular should be supervised and educated in the handling of small animals. A few nights ago me and my partner were deeply disturbed to see a small boy grab a guinea pig by the neck and throw it back in the pen after it tried to nip him (which is an understandable reaction to be grabbed by the neck) - this animal was deeply traumatised by the incident and looked physically injured. I came back the next night to check the status of the animal and it had magically disappeared from the pen and none of the staff could explain where the animal was. I had took a picture of it after the incident so I showed them the exact animal in question.
I am at this exact moment in progress of speaking with Turkey Animal rights charity SED (Society for the Education of Social Responsibilities) to investigate the incident and the other animals being held in the enclosure.
Unfortunately I have now left Turkey and I am back in the UK and would greatly appreciate anyone who is still there or is about to go would help me in monitoring the progress of the animals and/or helping educate the staff on looking after these animals, and indeed if you have children please ensure that the proper supervision is being undertook with them and these animals.
I will state that I am not looking to have these animals removed in the first instance, as they would most likely just be euphanised if no one can take care of them. I would much rather that they are just looked after properly.
Anyone still there or just going..... Please feed these animals, ensuring the smaller animals can get the food as well as larger animals, and if possible make the staff feed them the proper food they need.
The rabbits and guinea pigs need fresh vegetables as I am not aware of anywhere selling food specific for these animals in the vicinity. Lettuce, Carrots, aubergines are great for them.
The chickens and ducks can get corn or other cereals such as wheat/oats (even supermarker breakfast cereal form), however these animals will eat any bugs they can find which at least gives them some advantage over the other animals.
Thanks for reading
21 Aug 2008 19:19
I always thought they seemed quite happy in the waterfall. I have seen them being fed and there were big piles of veg and lettuce for them all to eat and they all seemed to be tucking in and sharing with each other quite happily.
Steve
Steve
21 Aug 2008 19:25
As a keeper of Rabbits, and Guinea Pigs I can assure you that the condition of the animals is not how they are supposed to be. You can actually feel just bones if you pet them. I am not shooting you down here, so please dont think that, but as an experienced animal keeper I know the conditions are not acceptable. I saw the waiter throw in some soggy leftover lettuce at the end of one night, but this was nowhere near enough enough food for the amount of animals in the enclosure - about 15 guinea pigs, 5 or so rabbits, 5 or so tortoises and also a bunch of chickens and ducks. No where near enough food which is why we were puchasing bags of vegetables from the supermarket in Marmaris every single day.
21 Aug 2008 19:26
I'm staying nearby in October, I've never been in The Waterfall or seen the animals but I'll pop over and see what I think.
21 Aug 2008 19:39
I find animals in or near restaurants a real turn off, there's a place up in the old village (I sharn't name it) and they keep animals in an enclosure and it churned my stomach the thought of eating there with all the flies the animals attracted.
Animals at the waterfall restaurant
21 Aug 2008 21:23
I wont be ordering the mixed grill at the Waterfall next time!!
22 Aug 2008 09:07
Hi I read your post with quite frankly distain. I have been going to icmeler for 6 year now and alwasy go to Waterfall daytime as well as night times and the aminals are well cared for by the Manager & staff and fed twice a day with various vegtable and fruit to suit all the animals requirements. At the end of the season they are either taken to a farm on the outskirts of icmeler or in the case of the turtles put to bed for the winter. They are in no way mistreated or unkept. With regard to your comment of animals fighting they will always do that whatever. Even here in England Cats and Dogs along with chickens etc fight that is life.
22 Aug 2008 12:48
Have you been THIS year and within the last few weeks? It only takes a few weeks of malnourishment for the condition of the animals to degrade so the condition of animals last year or 2 months ago is moot.
I have pictures of the condition of the current animals, showing mange, and malnourishment. And also a picture of the injured animal which the staff could not explain the wearabouts of. These pictures are being provided to SED for investigation.
As I have previously stated, I am a experienced keeper of Rabbits and Guinea Pigs, and I am in the position to comment on their *current* condition.
The fact that you personally read this with disdain is of no consequence as your experience of keeping these animals is obviously not up to standard.
Do you think Zoos keep different types of animals together? Of course they do not. Your comment of "that is life" is quite a statement to make indeed. So because things happen mean they should always happen that way? Genocide in Africa - "that is life", the hunting of endangered animals - "that is life". A world full of "that is life" would be a pretty harrowing place to live. Animals in the wild fight, but animals kept in captivity should not be placed into an environment where their welfare is at risk - anyone would tell you that.
Fed twice a day. Snigger. They were fed daily by me and my partner over the space of a week, and we had to on a few occasions fill their water dish up with bottled water as it was bone dry.
I have pictures of the condition of the current animals, showing mange, and malnourishment. And also a picture of the injured animal which the staff could not explain the wearabouts of. These pictures are being provided to SED for investigation.
As I have previously stated, I am a experienced keeper of Rabbits and Guinea Pigs, and I am in the position to comment on their *current* condition.
The fact that you personally read this with disdain is of no consequence as your experience of keeping these animals is obviously not up to standard.
Do you think Zoos keep different types of animals together? Of course they do not. Your comment of "that is life" is quite a statement to make indeed. So because things happen mean they should always happen that way? Genocide in Africa - "that is life", the hunting of endangered animals - "that is life". A world full of "that is life" would be a pretty harrowing place to live. Animals in the wild fight, but animals kept in captivity should not be placed into an environment where their welfare is at risk - anyone would tell you that.
Fed twice a day. Snigger. They were fed daily by me and my partner over the space of a week, and we had to on a few occasions fill their water dish up with bottled water as it was bone dry.
22 Aug 2008 12:54
Lets keep it friendly folks.
I am over there is 5 weeks and will be calling in to see the "state" of these animals.
Miles can you send me a pic of the animals I am interested to see it, as I am to see all animals in Icmeler.
I am over there is 5 weeks and will be calling in to see the "state" of these animals.
Miles can you send me a pic of the animals I am interested to see it, as I am to see all animals in Icmeler.
22 Aug 2008 18:19
sorry collette!
milesy........whilst i have no idea how to tell a malnourished rabbit or guinea pig,and bow to your obviously superior knowlege on the subject......do you think that this is the right place to veiw your concerns?
sure......the great british people are supposed to be animal lovers.(hmmmmm)but wouldnt your post be better on the wspa website?
i applaud your stand for helpless animals...........but lets get the prioritys right.....theres a lot of differance between genocide in africa and a few (supposedly) underfed rabits chickens and guinea pigs!
this is a holiday forum...........if people want to read about (supposed)animal cruelty im sure they can find sites devoted to such.......
ps..........sat for ages before i pressed the send button.........but just think you are posting on the wrong site.....
milesy........whilst i have no idea how to tell a malnourished rabbit or guinea pig,and bow to your obviously superior knowlege on the subject......do you think that this is the right place to veiw your concerns?
sure......the great british people are supposed to be animal lovers.(hmmmmm)but wouldnt your post be better on the wspa website?
i applaud your stand for helpless animals...........but lets get the prioritys right.....theres a lot of differance between genocide in africa and a few (supposedly) underfed rabits chickens and guinea pigs!
this is a holiday forum...........if people want to read about (supposed)animal cruelty im sure they can find sites devoted to such.......
ps..........sat for ages before i pressed the send button.........but just think you are posting on the wrong site.....
22 Aug 2008 18:28
I am sorting this problem out independantly through an organisation.
I only want to view the animals after we read people talking about them on this forum. People who are telling friends and strangers to go to this restaurant is fueling the drive for the mistreatment of the animals as the restaurant is clearly only using them as a gimmick to attract people into their place - as the restaurant business in icmeler is such a competitive place from what I have seen. And it is possible children of people who might have used or use this forum who are mistreating the animals out of poor supervision and or lack of education on handling and treating animals so I feel my opinion is very clearly suited to this forum.
I am only trying to raise a little awareness amoung the people who drive the economy of the area and businesses contained within.
I only want to view the animals after we read people talking about them on this forum. People who are telling friends and strangers to go to this restaurant is fueling the drive for the mistreatment of the animals as the restaurant is clearly only using them as a gimmick to attract people into their place - as the restaurant business in icmeler is such a competitive place from what I have seen. And it is possible children of people who might have used or use this forum who are mistreating the animals out of poor supervision and or lack of education on handling and treating animals so I feel my opinion is very clearly suited to this forum.
I am only trying to raise a little awareness amoung the people who drive the economy of the area and businesses contained within.
22 Aug 2008 20:48
OK.
Without getting into a war of words.
Do we not have Bars in the UK that have Pets for the kids to visit to attract custom ? Do they not give these animals 'treats' left over by Customers ? Maybe I'm missing the point somewhere but don't the people of Icmeler deserve a bit of space ? It's their Country and I think they're doing their best to make a living and giving these animals the best they can.. A lot of these guys sleep in accommodations worse than our sheds.. Sorry to sound so negative.. We're only human (I know our Pets are also
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Without getting into a war of words.
Do we not have Bars in the UK that have Pets for the kids to visit to attract custom ? Do they not give these animals 'treats' left over by Customers ? Maybe I'm missing the point somewhere but don't the people of Icmeler deserve a bit of space ? It's their Country and I think they're doing their best to make a living and giving these animals the best they can.. A lot of these guys sleep in accommodations worse than our sheds.. Sorry to sound so negative.. We're only human (I know our Pets are also
)
22 Aug 2008 22:04
chris jo and cory wrote:sorry collette!
milesy........whilst i have no idea how to tell a malnourished rabbit or guinea pig,and bow to your obviously superior knowlege on the subject......do you think that this is the right place to veiw your concerns?
sure......the great british people are supposed to be animal lovers.(hmmmmm)but wouldnt your post be better on the wspa website?
i applaud your stand for helpless animals...........but lets get the prioritys right.....theres a lot of differance between genocide in africa and a few (supposedly) underfed rabits chickens and guinea pigs!
this is a holiday forum...........if people want to read about (supposed)animal cruelty im sure they can find sites devoted to such.......
ps..........sat for ages before i pressed the send button.........but just think you are posting on the wrong site.....
Hi Chris Joe & Cory
I think that If these animal are being mistreated then this is the perfect forum for Milsey to post their opinions on. The bars and restaurant owners all know about this forum and how we all voice our opinions on it.
This is a holiday forum but it lets us discuss what happens in Icmeler good and bad.
Lynn
22 Aug 2008 22:18
Lynn
I agree, after all the Monkey on the beach story can be read on this forum too!
JMHO
Tania
I agree, after all the Monkey on the beach story can be read on this forum too!
JMHO
Tania
23 Aug 2008 02:46
Milesy wrote:I am sorting this problem out independantly through an organisation.
I only want to view the animals after we read people talking about them on this forum. People who are telling friends and strangers to go to this restaurant is fueling the drive for the mistreatment of the animals as the restaurant is clearly only using them as a gimmick to attract people into their place - as the restaurant business in icmeler is such a competitive place from what I have seen. And it is possible children of people who might have used or use this forum who are mistreating the animals out of poor supervision and or lack of education on handling and treating animals so I feel my opinion is very clearly suited to this forum.
I am only trying to raise a little awareness amoung the people who drive the economy of the area and businesses contained within.
Rubbish, I tell folk to use the Waterfall because the food is splendid.
You should have been going to Turkey 20 years ago when they slaughtered the goats in the street. then you would have had something to complain about.
23 Aug 2008 07:29
we went there in july........the food was lovely.....
and i didnt take much notice of the animals........except i saw some baby guinee pigs, about 3 days old i think.....
my 12 year old went to have a look, and i must say she came back and said they all looked skinny and had fur pulled out, and didnt look so healthy and fit like they should....
we are back in sept, so we will go again, and i shall take more notice of the animals,
and i didnt take much notice of the animals........except i saw some baby guinee pigs, about 3 days old i think.....
my 12 year old went to have a look, and i must say she came back and said they all looked skinny and had fur pulled out, and didnt look so healthy and fit like they should....
we are back in sept, so we will go again, and i shall take more notice of the animals,
23 Aug 2008 11:35
Right this is the last warning I am giving, have to say I am dissapointed in some peoples aggressive replys to Milesy post.
All he is trying to do is raise awareness of the situation on here, it IS valid for this forum as it IS a problem happening in Icmeler.
I do the same for the street cats, so how come you don't jump down my throat !!!
Col
All he is trying to do is raise awareness of the situation on here, it IS valid for this forum as it IS a problem happening in Icmeler.
I do the same for the street cats, so how come you don't jump down my throat !!!
Col
23 Aug 2008 13:08
The use of animals is just a cheap gimmick,vote with your wallet and dont use these places.Dreamboys? opposite the Korsan on the canal have a pen out front with rabbits etc.
Its just a ploy to attract kids over then the waiters attempt to get you inside etc.
Its just a ploy to attract kids over then the waiters attempt to get you inside etc.
23 Aug 2008 14:07
The irish bar had just got animals in the time we were there as well, but the staff there was friendly and open to my advice on the care of them. Over the space of a few days, they provided shade, fencing and started providing lots of grass as I advised.
23 Aug 2008 14:33
I can understand your concerns, and it's nice that you care so deeply for animals. However I just think your wasting your time reporting them as there isn't a great deal anyone is going to do, as Turkey is not technically part of the EU they do not have the same animal welfare laws as the rest of Europe, so who ever you have complained to when it comes to them dealing with the Turkish authorites it will proably fall on deaf ears.
In my previous comment on this subject, I was mearly stateing that when I saw them being fed it looked alot of food, and everyone seemed to be feeding quite happily with no fights. Maybe things have changed since when I was there in June I dont know.
Steve
In my previous comment on this subject, I was mearly stateing that when I saw them being fed it looked alot of food, and everyone seemed to be feeding quite happily with no fights. Maybe things have changed since when I was there in June I dont know.
Steve